BCS revenue discrimination

mysfit · #1 05-25-2010, 01:13 PM

Not saying I agree or disagree with the views int eharticle just putting it up as an fyi. Frankly I have no problem with the system so long as BSU gets into the MWC and becomes and AQ. Selfish and mercenary and I have no problem admitting that when it comes to CFB.

Linked chart comparing the WAC/MWC with the ACC and Big East.
http://www.arentfox.com/email/fishel...on%20Chart.pdf

http://voices.idahostatesman.com/201...discrimination

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University presidents and others who care deeply about what higher education stands for should take a hard look at the chart.

(Click here to link to the chart, which outlines TV ratings, attendance, rankings and revenue for the Mountain West, WAC and six BCS conferences to show that revenue does not correlate to on-field performance.)

The lesson embedded in this chart teaches that it is fine to employ a system, such as the BCS, where the revenue is rigged in favor of some, at the expense of others, regardless of who performs better. That is the last lesson we should be teaching our students.

This chart tells only a slice of the full story of the BCS’s discrimination. The revenue discrimination is even greater when deserving teams are excluded from major bowls. The BCS system is designed to make it virtually impossible for teams from outside of the six Automatic Qualifying Conferences or Notre Dame to ever win the national championship. Further, the Automatic Qualifying Conferences are guaranteed 60% of the spots in the major bowls, and barring a highly aberrational situation (such as occurred last year for the first time), those conferences, along with Notre Dame, for all practical purposes will be given at least 90% of the major bowl spots each year.

In college basketball, where such revenue and access discrimination does not exist, a playoff decides the national champion. But at the highest level of college football, the BCS cartel, which benefits from such discrimination, prevents a playoff from occurring.

As the athletic director of the University of Minnesota was recently reported to have stated: “The BCS doesn’t want to share the money and that’s why there’s no football playoff. Let’s be honest." I greatly appreciate his candor.

Unfortunately, the BCS speaks with much less candor. For example, a BCS spokesperson stated that “the best reason for supporting the BCS can be summed up in three words: every game counts.” But how do Boise State’s games count under the BCS when four of the past six years we went undefeated in the regular season, and yet never even came close to having an opportunity to compete for the national championship? How did all of those games, and all of those perfect records, count under the BCS? In fact, in two of those four undefeated regular seasons, Boise State was foreclosed from even playing in a major bowl.

But the problem isn’t with the BCS’s spokesperson’s statement – it’s with the system. It is time to revamp the system so that his statement that “every game counts” rings true. This is not a point unique to Boise State. Auburn in 2004, Utah in 2004, Boise State in 2006, Utah in 2008, and Boise State in 2009 all went undefeated but were denied a chance at a national championship by an injurious and fundamentally flawed system.

Many experts believe the BCS system violates U.S. law or at least raises very serious questions as to its legality. Some members of Congress have the same view and the Department of Justice has announced it is looking into the matter as well. Wouldn’t you think that such scrutiny from the highest councils of government would cause the BCS to modify the system to make it fair and equitable, instead of employing politically-connected and expensive consultants to cook up a menu of half-baked defenses?

The inspiring story of Butler’s basketball team tells the story of intercollegiate athletics at its best and what a contrast that is to the BCS. I have tremendous respect for what Butler accomplished, coming within an inch of winning the national championship. Boise State, on the other hand, has not been able to come within light years of doing the same in college football. But it is not because Boise State’s football team is not every bit as talented as Butler’s basketball team – rather it is because our university is never given the opportunity. Year after long year, Boise State football players are eliminated from the national championship not by any losses on the field, but by the BCS system. One of our attorneys, Alan Fishel, called the BCS system one in which even “perfection isn’t good enough.” Unfortunately, he is right, and if the BCS has anything to say about it, he may be right for a very long time. A BCS spokesperson said the current system may remain in place through 2040. In my view, this current system shouldn’t remain in place 30 more days, let alone 30 more years.

We are hoping we can make a difference and help guide college football to a system of access and fairness for all schools

Read more: http://voices.idahostatesman.com/201...#ixzz0oxilFEE1

TAG · #2 05-25-2010, 01:18 PM

Why is it 'discriminatory?'

Are Ivy League schools 'discriminatory' because their 'standards' are higher and as a result of that, there is more value in a degree from their schools ... or have they just formed a cartel to make everyone else think that these things are the case.

TAG · #3 05-25-2010, 01:22 PM

"This chart tells only a slice of the full story of the BCS’s discrimination. The revenue discrimination is even greater when deserving teams are excluded from major bowls. The BCS system is designed to make it virtually impossible for teams from outside of the six Automatic Qualifying Conferences or Notre Dame to ever win the national championship. Further, the Automatic Qualifying Conferences are guaranteed 60% of the spots in the major bowls, and barring a highly aberrational situation (such as occurred last year for the first time), those conferences, along with Notre Dame, for all practical purposes will be given at least 90% of the major bowl spots each year.

In college basketball, where such revenue and access discrimination does not exist, a playoff decides the national champion. But at the highest level of college football, the BCS cartel, which benefits from such discrimination, prevents a playoff from occurring."

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The difference between post-season football and post-season basketball being that the NCAA does not control the bowl games, like they control March Madness. That is the entire reason that the BCS even exists and is the result of primarily a lawsuit filed back in the 80's by Georgia and Oklahoma against the NCAA.

From Wiki:

Football television controversy:

By the 1980s, televised college football was a significant source of income for the NCAA. If the television contracts the NCAA had with ABC, CBS, and ESPN had remained in effect for the 1984 season, they would have generated US$73.6 million for the Association and its members. In September 1981, the Board of Regents of the University of Oklahoma and the University of Georgia Athletic Association filed suit against the NCAA in district court in Oklahoma. The plaintiffs stated that the NCAA's football television plan constituted price fixing, output restraints, boycott, and monopolizing, all of which were illegal under the Sherman Act. The NCAA argued that its pro-competitive and non-commercial justifications for the plan—-protection of live gate, maintenance of competitive balance among NCAA member institutions and creation of a more attractive "product" to compete with other forms of entertainment—-combined to make the plan reasonable. In September 1982, the district court found in favor of the plaintiffs, ruling that the plan violated antitrust laws. It enjoined the Association from enforcing the contract.

mysfit · #4 05-25-2010, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by TAG

Why is it 'discriminatory?'

Are Ivy League schools 'discriminatory' because their 'standards' are higher and as a result of that, there is more value in a degree from their schools ... or have they just formed a cartel to make everyone else think that these things are the case.

TV ratings and attendance are higher yet the revenue is much lower

The 'big argument' is that the BCS schools generate most of the money so tehy deserve to keep it.

That chart shows that the MWC/WAC avg greater tv ratings and attendance than the ACC and Big East blowing that argument right out of the water..............

mysfit · #5 05-25-2010, 01:24 PM

just add BSU to the MWC and make it an AQ

problem solved

okla21fan · #6 05-25-2010, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by mysfit

TV ratings and attendance are higher yet the revenue is much lower

The 'big argument' is that the BCS schools generate most of the money so tehy deserve to keep it.

That chart shows that the MWC/WAC avg greater tv ratings and attendance than the ACC and Big East blowing that argument right out of the water..............

bull shite.

where was Potato State and these other spare schools when schools like Oklahoma and UGA were paving the way for schools to sign there own TeVee deals?

TAG · #7 05-25-2010, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by mysfit

just add BSU to the MWC and make it an AQ

problem solved

I'm all for having every conference that is not presently an AQ conference adhere to one of two things, if they want to be AQ:

1. Go to a minimum of 10 conference teams, and be slotted with 1, and only 1, BCS nod.

2. Go to a mimimun of 12 conference teams, stage a CG, and be eligible for one AQ and one at-large. But conferences like the MAC have to have teams that win, per what Utah, Boise, and Hawaii have recently done.

Add the Cotton Bowl and the Chik-Fil-A bowls into the BCS mix. Slot the Big 12 winner in the Cotton Bowl. Slot the MWC winner in the Fiesta Bowl.

Notre Dame must join a conference for football, play 8 conference games minimum, or face the consequences of having the BCS restrict it's access to one of the bowl games to something like a mandatory 11-1 minimum record and a Top 8 ranking in the final polls.

okla21fan · #8 05-25-2010, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by mysfit

just add BSU to the MWC and make it an AQ

problem solved

here is an idea....
how about getting that '104' down to at the very least, '30'.

problem solved

oh wait, if it was a '30', Potato state would have 2 or more 'L's a season.

TAG · #9 05-25-2010, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by okla21fan

here is an idea....
how about getting that '104' down to at the very least, '30'.

problem solved

oh wait, if it was a '30', Potato state would have 2 or more 'L's a season.

Notre Dame is the more vile example.

Shane the Horse · #10 05-27-2010, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by okla21fan

bull shite.

where was Potato State and these other spare schools when schools like Oklahoma and UGA were paving the way for schools to sign there own TeVee deals?

I see....so because college football in its inception for tv exposure , all the credit should go to OU and UGA thus keep the growth of the system at bay? Thats pretty piss poor...even for you.....its the we did all the work deal so nobody else may enter that would be competitve or we will take our toys and go home?...Please i have More respect for you than this homer bullshit youre pulling here.

okla21fan · #11 05-27-2010, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Shane the Horse

I see....so because college football in its inception for tv exposure , all the credit should go to OU and UGA thus keep the growth of the system at bay? Thats pretty piss poor...even for you.....its the we did all the work deal so nobody else may enter that would be competitve or we will take our toys and go home?...Please i have More respect for you than this homer bullshit youre pulling here.

Sooooo, what has Potato State done for the college football world in terms of TeVee? other than give us a headache when home games are broadcast?

Shane the Horse · #12 05-28-2010, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by okla21fan

Sooooo, what has Potato State done for the college football world in terms of TeVee? other than give us a headache when home games are broadcast?

Not the point really...the fact that they are un upcoming program and have earned the shot of fitting into the BCS way of things...should be enough....the very fact that they are one of the most if not the most televised MId in the country for ESPN, does say something. Your hatred for BSU should not cloud your common sense, they will continue to grow, build as they have done the last 15 years.....I dont think they make an NC this year due to their SOS, even if they go undefeeated again...Computer polls wont allow it, but they go to another Fiesta Bowl and win again.....or Hit an NC...then it really doesnt matter what ou, or VYT fans think now does it, in fact it doesnt matter what you, or I, DnB, or anyone else thinks, BSU will continue to be a winning program as long as they continue with what they are doing. So make fun of the SOS, and anything else you can come up with, the blue field, the stadium size.....right now they get more national recognition than OU is , Auburn or any you other aholes. FACT.....so keep hoping and BSU will just keep growing.

GO BRONCOS

TAG · #13 05-28-2010, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Shane the Horse

Not the point really...the fact that they are un upcoming program and have earned the shot of fitting into the BCS way of things...should be enough....the very fact that they are one of the most if not the most televised MId in the country for ESPN, does say something. Your hatred for BSU should not cloud your common sense, they will continue to grow, build as they have done the last 15 years.....I dont think they make an NC this year due to their SOS, even if they go undefeeated again...Computer polls wont allow it, but they go to another Fiesta Bowl and win again.....or Hit an NC...then it really doesnt matter what ou, or VYT fans think now does it, in fact it doesnt matter what you, or I, DnB, or anyone else thinks, BSU will continue to be a winning program as long as they continue with what they are doing. So make fun of the SOS, and anything else you can come up with, the blue field, the stadium size.....right now they get more national recognition than OU is, Auburn or any you other aholes. FACT.....so keep hoping and BSU will just keep growing.

GO BRONCOS

All up in your head much?

Hill-clown!